Friday, October 03, 2008

Debate Review. Update: Biden a Slacker?

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I tend to be on the side that says Palin did good but not great. She stuck to her talking points entirely too much when she had some great opportunities to hammer Biden hard.

In the first minute of the debate answering the lead-off question, Biden said this with regard to the current financial quagmire:

I think it's neither the best or worst of Washington, but it's evidence of the fact that the economic policies of the last eight years have been the worst economic policies we've ever had. As a consequence, you've seen what's happened on Wall Street.

If you need any more proof positive of how bad the economic theories have been, this excessive deregulation, the failure to oversee what was going on, letting Wall Street run wild, I don't think you needed any more evidence than what you see now.

So the Congress has been put -- Democrats and Republicans have been put in a very difficult spot. But Barack Obama laid out four basic criteria for any kind of rescue plan here.

He, first of all, said there has to be oversight. We're not going to write any check to anybody unless there's oversight for the -- of the secretary of Treasury.
Palin should have said something to this effect: How can Senator Obama be trusted to lay out any plans to get us through this when he took the second most money from Fannie Mae behind only another Democrat; Senator Dodd? Your own party, Senator Biden, said in 2003 that Fannie and Freddie were in good shape while Senator McCain was prescient enough to see this disaster brewing back in 2005 and earlier.

A response like that would have put Biden on the defensive immediately and got the country paying attention more deeply than they did. I was a lost opportunity.

Second she mainly stuck to talking points and canned responses, which was to be expected but c'mon, let's interject something besides McCain talking points. Another lost opportunity was when Biden said this:

Here's what the president said when we said no. He insisted on elections on the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, "Big mistake. Hamas will win. You'll legitimize them." What happened? Hamas won.

When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, "Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't know -- if you don't, Hezbollah will control it."

Now what's happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.
This is pure and utter BS and Biden knows it. A group that became Hezbollah attacked the Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983 with backing from Iran. They grew stronger throughout the 1990's and have become the dominant party in Lebanon. When exactly did we kick them out and when exactly did Biden or Obama say to "move NATO forces in there"? Whe they were kicked out, where exactly did Hezbollah go to? Also, I'd like to see one example of Obama's prescience on Hamas winning in "the West Bank" or even Biden mentioning it. The fact that Hamas rules in Gaza and Fatah still controls the West Bank must have escaped Biden. Charles fact checks the hell out of Biden on this one and the proof of his out and out lie is damning. These were such bald-faced lies that it should have been whacked out of the damn park by Palin if she had more insight into the events that shape the world. More on this at Wizbang!

Biden looked old and wasn't especially sharp. He talked like a politician and was good for a lie here and a senior moment there, about what one expects from the Delaware Senator.

Don't get me wrong now, Palin won it but did she do enough to convert Independents? I don't really believe so.

Update: A ratings bonanza! I would bet many who watched say "you betcha" and liked what Palin had to say. We'll see in the next few days.

Update: Joe Biden only lied fourteen times last night. For Biden, that's a slacker effort.


Anonymous said...

Not to be smug but I do not think she is smart enough to respond how you suggest here. I am not saying she is stupid, but to echo some conservatives here she is simply out of her league. And that is more McCain's fault than her own. She can memorize. She can serve up zingers. But at the end of the debate she sounded like a PTA leader, a beauty pageant contestant, a CEO of a make up company but not a VP. There are so many better qualified women out there that could have delivered, but McCain wanted the pretty "maverick" and acted too quickly and I think in the end for Independents who will decide this race they will indeed react with a thanks but no thanks. I think that is why you see the snap polls favoring Biden.

Scott said...

I don't care about snap polls. This was watched by a huge audience and if she resonated (or as Bush would say "resignated) with even half, it could swing the election.

You libs do this every time, you paint the Conservative as stupid and then they turn around and beat you by outsmarting you. 2000, 2004 and now maybe 2008. The media plays into it by setting the bar lower every time and Palin once again exceeded expectations.

face it, Biden was a horrific choice for veep. Obama could have locked it up by putting Hillary on the ticket but he allowed his ego to interfere. That's not a good quality for a President to have.

Let's watch the polls and see, I bet mcCain draws even by this time next week.

Anonymous said...

I do not think it will happen again for your side this year. It is almost looking impossible for McCain at this point. The electoral map is running away from him. I do not have to paint her stupid (that is the word YOU USED). The sound bites do it for me.

If you want to vote for a president that chooses a woman that says you betcha and gosh darn, yeah, six pack joe, hockey mom, winks... I could go on and on during DEBATE, if that makes you confident and excited about a new leader than go ahead and cast that vote with utter confidence. For me, it is so obvious. No way, no how, no six pack Jane. She scares me and so does that temper of old man McCain. All of the sudden Bush and Cheney appeal to me like I never thought they could.

Scott said...

I note that you did not address the flat out lies by Biden and the revisionist history he portrayed. Why? Do they facts not matter to you?

Don't count McCain out, Bush was supposed to lose to the second worst candidate the Dems have selected in the last decade...Obama being the worst.

Anonymous said...

Why so angry?

I did not mention Palin's lies or misinterpretations but if you want me to acknowledge Biden's we can bring that up too, she had plenty.

Biden is known for gaffes. He made mistakes like all politicians tend to do in 90 minutes. I wish he hadn't but I can take the gaffes because with the gaffes comes experience, knowledge, style, class - all very presidential attributes. Palin does not possess those qualities. She memorizes and delivers well (and for me personally her delivery is nothing spectacular). She is well suited for Mayor of a small town or even Governor of Alaska. You betcha!